If the GB ever felt the need for some honest "feedback" regarding their performance they couldn't choose a better forum than this one. I suspect they do take a peek from time to time to get some idea of how they're perceived by those who know best. And who aren't afraid to "tell it like it is."
Old Navy
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Lurkers
by Freedom rocks indo you think elders and gb members monitor this site to catch people?.
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Calling Cofty and others regarding evolution
by dubstepped inso i have started down the path of trying to understand evolution, and to get the linear lies that the jws planted in my head out of it.
i bought an audiobook called "evolution: what the fossils say and why it matters" by donald prothero.
i heard it recommended on an atheist podcast that i listened to.
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Old Navy
Quote from Finkelstein:
...Creation from a supernatural being of unknown origin or natural laws of nuclear evolution ?
And there we have the crux of the matter. Natural Laws or Nature is responsible for Evolution.
But, what is the intelligence in Nature? Who is the designer in Nature?
When Evolutionists are able to honestly answer those questions they inevitably come to the conclusion that Nature must equal God. So, is belief in Evolution a bad thing? Not at all! It is just an intermediate step in coming to appreciate Creation. We'll all get there in the bye and bye...
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Calling Cofty and others regarding evolution
by dubstepped inso i have started down the path of trying to understand evolution, and to get the linear lies that the jws planted in my head out of it.
i bought an audiobook called "evolution: what the fossils say and why it matters" by donald prothero.
i heard it recommended on an atheist podcast that i listened to.
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Old Navy
Question from Finkelstein:
So if a huge asteroid was to hit earth like it did 40 million years ago killing everything on this planet including all of mankind, would you still say its all so beautiful and orderly ?
Without knowing the details of the event, including the aftermath, it is very difficult to form a meaningful opinion. We suspect such things may have happened in our distant past and they likely did. One day we will know why they occurred and for what purpose.
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Calling Cofty and others regarding evolution
by dubstepped inso i have started down the path of trying to understand evolution, and to get the linear lies that the jws planted in my head out of it.
i bought an audiobook called "evolution: what the fossils say and why it matters" by donald prothero.
i heard it recommended on an atheist podcast that i listened to.
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Old Navy
Quote from Finkelstein:
So what your saying then Old Navy is that the ancients in the middle east got all right as opposed to all the accumulation of accepted knowledge through physical evidence obtained through the scientific study of astrophysics, geological evolution and biological evolution over the past 3000 years have got it all wrong.
As the Scientific Process continues any error that may have crept into the evaluation will be set straight. Not that it is all wrong; no, it is not all wrong; but the Scientific Process is still far from completeness Those who pursue the method diligently and honestly will discover additional Truth which will stimulate re-evaluation and refinement. The Scientific Method marches on.
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Calling Cofty and others regarding evolution
by dubstepped inso i have started down the path of trying to understand evolution, and to get the linear lies that the jws planted in my head out of it.
i bought an audiobook called "evolution: what the fossils say and why it matters" by donald prothero.
i heard it recommended on an atheist podcast that i listened to.
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Old Navy
Quote from How the Bible was Created:
Eividence? Where. All matter, energy, forces are reduced to the biggest jumble of mess called the standard model. It is so bad that the only way it can be explained is using string theroy. So I ask you does God sit around plucking strings and creating a mess? Because that is what our universe (and likely all the multiverse) is a mess.
BTW this god created the 2nd law of thermodynamics so you CANT live forever lol
That seems to be an unusual point of view in the field of Astronomy. Those who study the universe for as far as the aided eye is able to see tell us how marvelously beautiful it is; how structured and orderly it is; how full of wondrous mysteries it is.
The Laws of Thermo-Dynamics will not be a hindrance. All things are possible.
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Calling Cofty and others regarding evolution
by dubstepped inso i have started down the path of trying to understand evolution, and to get the linear lies that the jws planted in my head out of it.
i bought an audiobook called "evolution: what the fossils say and why it matters" by donald prothero.
i heard it recommended on an atheist podcast that i listened to.
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Old Navy
Quote from Orphan Crow:
My mind has no wall and I don't expect to ever find it obstructed with that concept again
That is good; the mind shouldn't have a wall and it should be without one until we face certain very difficult propositions. The "Evolution Wall" isn't really an obstruction as such. It is more like the point at which a certain knowledge becomes inadequate and a new form of knowledge is needed to go beyond that point. Whether one does deign to venture beyond it is, of course, a personal decision. Not everyone who gets there is prepared to go beyond.
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Calling Cofty and others regarding evolution
by dubstepped inso i have started down the path of trying to understand evolution, and to get the linear lies that the jws planted in my head out of it.
i bought an audiobook called "evolution: what the fossils say and why it matters" by donald prothero.
i heard it recommended on an atheist podcast that i listened to.
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Old Navy
Quote from Cofty:
Dozens of posts and not even one single attempt to present any evidence. When I was a creationist I knew nothing about science but at least I knew how to ask difficult questions.
The evidence is all around us. In every direction. If you're not able to "see" it now, for whatever reason, that "blindness" is only temporary. Again, that many believe in Evolution does not bother me. There is nothing really wrong with such temporary beliefs as they are in keeping with the Scientific Method which is still operative on many fronts. We haven't reached the end of this trail yet.
Quote from Never a Jw:
You and people like you are the very reason I turned from being indifferent to Christianity to being hateful of it. The combination of ignorance and arrogance are usually not seen together in the fields of science, but in fundamentalist Christianity is the rule with no exceptions.
Not arrogance but confidence that ALL will be helped (or made) to "see" what they are presently "blinded" to by internal conflict. It is true that many have been turned away from and developed hatred for what they see as Christianity; perhaps rightfully so. The witnesses certainly do not have a monopoly on corruption and cult indoctrination. There is an explanation for this within The Word.
You'll have to expand further upon what you mean by "the combination of ignorance and arrogance."
The story of humankind upon Planet Earth is full of trouble but hasn't yet reached the conclusion of this phase of our existence. What is coming will be very, very good. You will be a happy camper, as we all will, when that time comes.
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Calling Cofty and others regarding evolution
by dubstepped inso i have started down the path of trying to understand evolution, and to get the linear lies that the jws planted in my head out of it.
i bought an audiobook called "evolution: what the fossils say and why it matters" by donald prothero.
i heard it recommended on an atheist podcast that i listened to.
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Old Navy
Vidiot,
That captures the essence of the experience quite nicely.
Orphan Crow,
Aye, it is in the mind.
Tell us how your mind reacts to it when you encounter
it. It is all good when the dust settles.
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Calling Cofty and others regarding evolution
by dubstepped inso i have started down the path of trying to understand evolution, and to get the linear lies that the jws planted in my head out of it.
i bought an audiobook called "evolution: what the fossils say and why it matters" by donald prothero.
i heard it recommended on an atheist podcast that i listened to.
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Old Navy
My personal beliefs regarding Creation may be unique. The reasons are all good as they take into account the troubles of mankind; the suffering; the tribulations; the bloodshed; the abuse and all that is bad. Those who have suffered much will be rewarded much. Those who have caused suffering will be judged much as they are changed. Love will conquer all. -
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Calling Cofty and others regarding evolution
by dubstepped inso i have started down the path of trying to understand evolution, and to get the linear lies that the jws planted in my head out of it.
i bought an audiobook called "evolution: what the fossils say and why it matters" by donald prothero.
i heard it recommended on an atheist podcast that i listened to.
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Old Navy
Quote from Cofty:
'Nature red in tooth and claw' proves that there is no benevolent creator.
Creationism isn't a leap of faith, it's a drunken tumble down Mount Dumbass.
That may be your temporary belief for this moment; but it will change in time.
Quote from Cofty:
I have learned more in the past 20 years than I did in the previous 30. That is why I reject creationism. The men and women who know most about the complexity of the natural world are the strongest advocates for evolution. These are the thousands of scientists - many of them christians - who know more about life than you or I ever will.
Your rejection of Creationism is but temporary. As you continue to study and learn the Truth will eventually make itself known. The Natural World itself is profound "proof" of the goodness and beauty of Creation when viewed objectively and without bias. Sadly, most who claim to be Christian are victims of Cult Indoctrination which renders them temporarily incapable of seeking Truth. But, once again, all of this confusion is temporary. In the end Truth will prevail.
Quote from Cofty:
There is a very important difference between you and I Old Navy. I thoroughly understand both creationism and evolution. You have never learned even the most basic information about evolution. You are wilfully ignorant of the evidence. For that reason you have nothing to say about it.
I believe your self-assessment of your level of comprehension will change dramatically in the not too distant future. How is anyone able to "thoroughly understand both Creationism and Evolution?" Do you mean that you thoroughly understand the theoretical dogma to your satisfaction as it is presented by those who claim to be expert? I choose to say nothing about the theoretical dogma since re-hashing its details is counter-productive. There really is little Truth there.
Quote from Cofty:
Why are you still refusing to acknowledge that the vast majority of intelligent christians accept the fact of evolution. You never engage in conversation, you just keep repeating the same old platitudes. When are you going to pay anybody the respect of actually engaging with the subject?
What I acknowledge is that all are able to freely choose what they want to believe. I have no desire to attempt to alter anyone's beliefs or to promote either side of the debate. Rather, I reveal what my beliefs are and in a general sense how I came to hold them. It is also my belief that Truth is forthcoming and that comprehension of the mysteries will occur. We just haven't gotten there yet.
Never. While I respect your freedom to believe as you wish I have no desire to "engage" in discussion of the theoretical subject. It is not yet time.
It is an unfortunate truth that "Christians" are easily deceived. The Christian Movement is loaded with Cults Aplenty. Tickled Ears and Washed Minds is the name of the game. For the time being.
Patience.
Questions from Coded Logic:
Do you think people should have good reasons for believing the things they believe? And do you think people have an obligation to use reliable methods of getting information to inform their beliefs?
Our System of Information Overload is so full of "noise" that most people are quite confused. Ideally, we should develop the means to discern Truth from falsehood. We are far removed from that ideal. People do have a natural inclination to embrace Truth and to seek Truth but there are many obstacles put in place by those who delight in use of the lie. Our obligation should be to be Truthful at all times.
Questions from Coded Logic:
For example, if I scattered chicken bones across the floor and then declared - this tells me Thor will soon return - would you think I was justified in such a belief? And would it be enough to convince you of my claim?
If the belief satisfies you then you are free to take hold of it. I would not agree with your hypothetical but if you believe that it is just then that is up to you personally. No, it would not be enough.
Patience.